RED, I wasn't directing my statement to you, it was to agree with Whitefish's post. I spent 5 years in the Guard with some great people. After Desert shield I decided I wanted to be in the Active Army. Since then I've been deployed three more times. And I have worked with some awesome Guard guys. Unfortunatly, I also worked with some like the ones described above. Your right, Guard retention is going to be terrible. I think the RA will be a little better though. To be honest, I can't wait for the day I punch out, but I would never bite the hand that feeds me. That's the point I was trying to make. We all knew the risks when we joined(Guard and Active) So, when you see "one weekend a month my a$$" on a 5 ton rolling thru Bagdad on CNN, that pisses a lot of people off.