Think I have to pull motor

slow94

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Well I have tested everything and I finally bought myself I nice borescop that can swivel. Looks like every exhaust valve is barely kissing the pistons. Seems pretty obvious. I'm guessing something in timing cover has failed and now truck is out of time causing the issue. Every exhaust valve looks like this and every exhaust relief in piston has a shiny spot.
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Ah man, one thing I know is that as shitty as the task is after your done it is never as hard as you imagined it would be.
 
Dam,that sucks. Hopefully the damage/fix is minor
Well technically could just fix timing issue and run it but now I'm assuming it all needs to come apart to inspect. I'm guessing at minimum new exhaust valves, hone and new rings just in case. If it's apart I could upgrade some stuff but maybe not.

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Oh no! Sucks man. Were you able to get it on the dyno?


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Dammit! I am so sorry! Do you think it over-revved when you got in to the water at the track? Maybe floated the valves?
 
Dammit! I am so sorry! Do you think it over-revved when you got in to the water at the track? Maybe floated the valves?
Don't really think so. It hit like 7700-7800 rpm but Zach at ZSR said it can spin way higher than that without issue. Right now it is looking like the cam bolt may have backed off a touch causing cam pin to shear which retarded the cam. That would cause these exact symptoms. So if that is the case I'm gonna see about double pinning the cam and make sure to red loctite that cam bolt if it wasn't done in the first place. Per the builder, the RPM's I was spinning is nothing. Shaft mount solid roller set up good for 10k rpm lol. This is however a big kick in the pants after all I just went through.

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Don't really think so. It hit like 7700-7800 rpm but Zach at ZSR said it can spin way higher than that without issue. Right now it is looking like the cam bolt may have backed off a touch causing cam pin to shear which retarded the cam. That would cause these exact symptoms. So if that is the case I'm gonna see about double pinning the cam and make sure to red loctite that cam bolt if it wasn't done in the first place. Per the builder, the RPM's I was spinning is nothing. Shaft mount solid roller set up good for 10k rpm lol. This is however a big kick in the pants after all I just went through.

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Ah OK, damn that sucks are you sending it back to ZSR? Seems like if the cam bolt backed out that might be on him?
 
Through the years, I've had to do more than few jobs "twice." I feel your pain. But you've got a killer setup! And the way you work, I expect you'll be finished by Friday anyway.
 
Ah OK, damn that sucks are you sending it back to ZSR? Seems like if the cam bolt backed out that might be on him?
I do plan on sending back to him unless someone local can do it. But I feel like he would be the best for it since he put it together. And I'm definitely not finger pointing at all. I know the risks when you start making this much power. I don't expect him to pay for this however if he does feel like its something he could have prevented then we will see what he says. Bare minimum the motor needs new valves. I may put higher compression pistons in though just to do it.

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Through the years, I've had to do more than few jobs "twice." I feel your pain. But you've got a killer setup! And the way you work, I expect you'll be finished by Friday anyway.
Lol I wish I could. But I'm not going to let it sit either. Hopefully my buddy with a lift will let me use it again. With the motor prepped for removal it should take less than an hour.

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Wow! That really sucks !

When I had my issues with my motor, Zach recommended Tom at 3V Performance in NC to fix it. Not saying I couldn't have shipped it back to Zack, but it's a closer option
 
Wow! That really sucks !

When I had my issues with my motor, Zach recommended Tom at 3V Performance in NC to fix it. Not saying I couldn't have shipped it back to Zack, but it's a closer option
I'm definitely going to weigh my options. There may be a local shop or 2 that can do it.

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You guys know me and how retentive I can be :) With all those quality parts and the power you're going to make, to me it would only make sense to send it back to ZSR. But that's just me being me :)
 
You guys know me and how retentive I can be :) With all those quality parts and the power you're going to make, to me it would only make sense to send it back to ZSR. But that's just me being me :)
Yeah I think I will. I think pistons are perfectly fine but I may just put new ones in. See about double pinning the cam. Cam was already fairly large so not sure if there is much to be gained there with a change. I already have the motor "ready to pull". Just need to see about getting to my buddy's lift to do the last little bit. I can do it at house but would be better to have a lift just to be sure.

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Found the issue this evening when we pulled the engine. The woodruff key walked out of the crank and allowed the crank gear to spin. It appears that a longer woodruff key would perhaps prevent this as it would only be able to come out so far before it hits the crank bolt.. really sucks.

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That's weird, I guess time to get the crank snout machine for dual keys? Sure does seem like a blower problem and not a turbo problem... This is a puzzling one.
 
That's weird, I guess time to get the crank snout machine for dual keys? Sure does seem like a blower problem and not a turbo problem... This is a puzzling one.
The crank snout is machined for dual keys. just not the balancer.

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Found the issue this evening when we pulled the engine. The woodruff key walked out of the crank and allowed the crank gear to spin. It appears that a longer woodruff key would perhaps prevent this as it would only be able to come out so far before it hits the crank bolt.. really sucks.

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So the taper on the balancer wasn’t enough to keep the key seated? I didn’t check it out but is that key the “correct” length?
 
So the taper on the balancer wasn’t enough to keep the key seated? I didn’t check it out but is that key the “correct” length?
Well, I don't know. It measures 2.5" long. I would assume the key should be long enough that even if it slid out some it would contact the crank bolt thus holding it in place. This one had just enough room to slide out obviously. I have no idea what how long the keys are "supposed" to be.

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