head bolts

harley71118 · 11-03-2009, 01:59 PM

hi there

i'am building my block up rods pistons etc from jlp and got a 2.3 kb to put on it 3.5 upper and 10 lower

i have got the arp main studs

but what should i use for the heads

ford do a ford racing kit head bolts and gaskets which is a good price

or should i go for the arp heads studs which are a lot more

steve

svtlightning208 · 11-03-2009, 02:13 PM

idk how many psi of boost that is, but if its over 18 i def. would.

mcarbine · 11-03-2009, 02:52 PM

Im going with ARP head studs for my build. It think they are worth the extra $

harley#356 · 11-03-2009, 03:45 PM

cheap insurance man! definitely stud the heads!

I not only got the standard ARP head studs, I got the heavy duty ARP head studs. $450 well spent!

svtlightning208 · 11-03-2009, 04:11 PM

I mean, i could see arp mains, but really, if the stock rods werent such garbage, how long would it take for the stock head bolts to fail? or the head gaskets to fail because of use of the stock head bolts? (jc i used stock ones as i dont plan on goin over 500 HP)

AMERICAN_LIGHT · 11-03-2009, 04:49 PM

i have to disagree i used ford racing head bolt kit on my old turbo engine 801/860 was my final numbers on 21psi i used ARP Head studs on the first 2 supercharged engines and they allowed the heads to lift at 26 psi not sure if this is a fair comparision because of boost pressure differences but i had no problems with the head bolts hope this helps

Scuba-Matt · 11-03-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harley#356

cheap insurance man! Definitely stud the heads!
!

x100000

FAST-EDDIE · 11-07-2009, 05:12 PM

JLP has the best price on head studs that I have found

lghtemup · 11-07-2009, 06:54 PM

if you art going with arp DO NOT GET THE REGULAR ARP BOLT,GET THE ARP2000 BOLTS,they are stronger for over 20lbs of boost i know one broke on me...

svt4047 · 11-07-2009, 07:56 PM

If the Ford Racing stuff is the same Torque to yield bolts that the stockers are then you'll only get a single use out of them where as the studs can be used several times over. The head bolts will absolutely get the job done but they're simply not as good as head studs at doing their job. Head studs are able to better clamp the heads down to the block while applying less torque when tightening them than head bolts are. How big of an advantage is that? Who knows for sure? Some will argue with that fact as well. I was able to get my hands on a previously owned but never installed set for $225 so I went that route. I liked the idea of never having to purchase another set of head bolts again. Not that I figured on rebuilding a motor any more than once or maybe twice but I figured when going built there might be a chance that things would have to come apart if even a single thing needed addressed. As it turned out the motor did have to come back apart due to a set of crap Patriot performance heads dropping a valve seat and chewing up the piston, the head, and scarring the walls of the block. So in that instance I would have had to purchase an additional set of head bolts had I gone that route but with the ARP studs I was merely able to fasten things back together without having to eat the cost of yet another set of head bolts.

Roach

Transformer · 11-08-2009, 12:26 AM

Off topic a little but what are the recomendations for reusing the main studs and head studs on a different build?
Iam going to a aluminum block and I have alot of extra parts that I cant sell.

harley71118 · 11-10-2009, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svt4047

If the Ford Racing stuff is the same Torque to yield bolts that the stockers are then you'll only get a single use out of them where as the studs can be used several times over. The head bolts will absolutely get the job done but they're simply not as good as head studs at doing their job. Head studs are able to better clamp the heads down to the block while applying less torque when tightening them than head bolts are. How big of an advantage is that? Who knows for sure? Some will argue with that fact as well. I was able to get my hands on a previously owned but never installed set for $225 so I went that route. I liked the idea of never having to purchase another set of head bolts again. Not that I figured on rebuilding a motor any more than once or maybe twice but I figured when going built there might be a chance that things would have to come apart if even a single thing needed addressed. As it turned out the motor did have to come back apart due to a set of crap Patriot performance heads dropping a valve seat and chewing up the piston, the head, and scarring the walls of the block. So in that instance I would have had to purchase an additional set of head bolts had I gone that route but with the ARP studs I was merely able to fasten things back together without having to eat the cost of yet another set of head bolts.

Roach

going down the arp stud route thing its the best way

also heard bad thing about the patriot heads i dont have any heads and cams yet runnin out of cash but i have been offered jdm heads and cams at a great price over here in the england $1150 for the lot dont know nothing about jdm heads thats the thing does anyone ?

was going o wait till next year and get jlp xr heads lot of cash but they sound good

steve

11-03-2009, 01:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
harley71118 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	head bolts hi there i'am building my block up rods pistons etc from jlp and got a 2.3 kb to put on it 3.5 upper and 10 lower i have got the arp main studs but what should i use for the heads ford do a ford racing kit head bolts and gaskets which is a good price or should i go for the arp heads studs which are a lot more steve

11-03-2009, 02:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
mcarbine Boostaholic Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Valparaiso, IN Posts: 1,098 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	Im going with ARP head studs for my build. It think they are worth the extra $ __________________ 2003 Lightning #2504 of 4270 made 1 of 1036 in Black Performance: KB 2.3 (3.5" upper 6# lower), JLP Sheetmetal Plenum, Chickenears Stage 3 Cool-Aid, SCT BA2600, NKG TR6s (.034"), Accufab SBTB, C&L Elbow, MotoBlue Aux Idler Kit, MotoBlue 100mm Idler, L&S Separator, Afco Dual Pass w/ Fan Kit, JLP Intercooler Res, TA Girdle, Stant 170* T-stat, Bassani High Flow Mids and Catback, FTVB, 4x4 Pan & Filter, Hotchkis Springs, Belltech Shock Extenders, JLP Shackles, JLP Long Bars, CE Drive Shaft Loop, SCT SF3, WMS Tuned, Dual Aeroforce Interceptors, MMCustomworks Dual Instrument Cluster Pod, Autometer Phantom Boost and Fuel Pressure Gauges, AEM Wideband, EGR & Fuel EVAP Delete

11-03-2009, 04:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
AMERICAN_LIGHT Under Construction-Again Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: statesboro, ga Posts: 87 View this user's gallery iTrader: 1 / 100%	disagree i have to disagree i used ford racing head bolt kit on my old turbo engine 801/860 was my final numbers on 21psi i used ARP Head studs on the first 2 supercharged engines and they allowed the heads to lift at 26 psi not sure if this is a fair comparision because of boost pressure differences but i had no problems with the head bolts hope this helps

11-07-2009, 06:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
lghtemup who's your daddy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: buffalo ny Posts: 258 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	if you art going with arp DO NOT GET THE REGULAR ARP BOLT,GET THE ARP2000 BOLTS,they are stronger for over 20lbs of boost i know one broke on me... __________________ built longblock--block bored .20 over,manley pistons,manlet rods,manley nexteck springs,manley titanium valves,custom cams,canton windage tray,arp main bolts,sfi flex plate,ported heads,high flow water pump,mad enterprise electric fan,c&l plentom,c&l elbow,chikenears stage 2 cold air kit,sct2800,60lbs injectors,walbro pumps,lfp 6lbd lower,lfp 100mm pullies,lfp duece idler kit,jba shorty headers,pypes cats,bassani cat back,killer chiller,2400 stall,ftvb,410's,T/A gridleJL 54" bars,QA1shocks,nitto street slicks,hid h/l and fogs,2.3WHIPPLE!!!TUNED BY THE BEST JLP!!! --------------------------------------------------- 2002 lightning silver rwhp 585 rwt 685 JLP Tuned ---------------------------------------------------

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11-03-2009, 02:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
svtlightning208 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New york Posts: 738 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	idk how many psi of boost that is, but if its over 18 i def. would.

11-03-2009, 03:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
harley#356 10.48 @ 131.68 in a HD! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 3,388 View this user's gallery iTrader: 12 / 100%	cheap insurance man! definitely stud the heads! I not only got the standard ARP head studs, I got the heavy duty ARP head studs. $450 well spent!

11-03-2009, 04:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
svtlightning208 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New york Posts: 738 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	I mean, i could see arp mains, but really, if the stock rods werent such garbage, how long would it take for the stock head bolts to fail? or the head gaskets to fail because of use of the stock head bolts? (jc i used stock ones as i dont plan on goin over 500 HP)

11-07-2009, 05:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
FAST-EDDIE FAST-EDDIE Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: DALLAS GA Posts: 983 View this user's gallery iTrader: 1 / 100%	JLP has the best price on head studs that I have found

11-07-2009, 07:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
svt4047 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: COLUMBUS, OH Posts: 1,768 View this user's gallery iTrader: 6 / 100%	If the Ford Racing stuff is the same Torque to yield bolts that the stockers are then you'll only get a single use out of them where as the studs can be used several times over. The head bolts will absolutely get the job done but they're simply not as good as head studs at doing their job. Head studs are able to better clamp the heads down to the block while applying less torque when tightening them than head bolts are. How big of an advantage is that? Who knows for sure? Some will argue with that fact as well. I was able to get my hands on a previously owned but never installed set for $225 so I went that route. I liked the idea of never having to purchase another set of head bolts again. Not that I figured on rebuilding a motor any more than once or maybe twice but I figured when going built there might be a chance that things would have to come apart if even a single thing needed addressed. As it turned out the motor did have to come back apart due to a set of crap Patriot performance heads dropping a valve seat and chewing up the piston, the head, and scarring the walls of the block. So in that instance I would have had to purchase an additional set of head bolts had I gone that route but with the ARP studs I was merely able to fasten things back together without having to eat the cost of yet another set of head bolts. Roach

11-08-2009, 12:26 AM	#11 (permalink)
Transformer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 45 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	Off topic a little but what are the recomendations for reusing the main studs and head studs on a different build? Iam going to a aluminum block and I have alot of extra parts that I cant sell.