Is a Vortech msd btm the same as the regular msd btm? Need to know asap Thanks!!

cp5699 · 10-06-2003, 08:25 PM

Title says it all. I'm pretty sure it is but just wanted to make sure.

thanks
Craig

FASTFORD · 10-06-2003, 08:51 PM

Yes, they just put the Vortech name on it for the kit. They have made two different BTM's over the years. In the two blower i got the BTM's did not look the same.

93SVTstang · 10-06-2003, 11:19 PM

There is some difference, I haven't seen a vortech BTM in a while, but I know on the MSD 6BTM you cannot adjust the onset. On the regular MSD BTM that you use in confunction with a 6AL you can make it work so that it wont start pulling timing until after you reach a certain level of boost, giving you a much more usable/tuneable timing curve. I don't think the Vortech BTM has that feature.

cp5699 · 10-07-2003, 12:01 AM

Thanks guys for the fast responce. I just bought a brand new vortech msd btm still in the box for $100. I was very excited to get such a good deal on it. The go for $370 at the local speed shops.

Thanks again

Craig

madramper · 10-07-2003, 06:18 AM

I was told the the Vortech BTM is a stand alone boost retard, not an ignition. Whereas the MSD 6BTM is an ignition with boost retard.

93SVTstang · 10-07-2003, 08:29 AM

Sounds like a good deal to me. You're getting one step closer everyday, can you stand the anticipation??? Good Luck, Beau

cp5699 · 10-07-2003, 09:44 AM

No I can't take it...LOL No I have to find a cartech fmu and get my tuner. I am think that I might try and find a deal on a used tuner since I am only going to be using it for shift points, and speed limit remover etc, I won't need the latest and greatest. I just hope that I will be able to get a decent tune like that.

Craig

madramper · 10-07-2003, 09:55 AM

Aren't you using 42's? If so, your gonna need to do some tuning to get them right.

cp5699 · 10-07-2003, 10:25 AM

Well, yeah I forgot to mention that as well. I will have to do whats nec. to make the computer work with the 42's, but I don't think that I can rely on just the tuner for my fuel curve since it has no boost reference and the turbos make boost at such low rpms.

It goind to be a learning curve for sure.

Craig

LightningWX · 10-07-2003, 12:59 PM

Am I the only one whos vortech came with a crane ignition and timing retard?

madramper · 10-07-2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by LightningWX
Am I the only one whos vortech came with a crane ignition and timing retard?

The old Vortech kits came with the 6BTM and the new ones have the Crane. The mustang kits, as well as the regular F-150 kits came with the Vortech BTM. I guess they didn't think they need extra spark???

cp5699 · 10-07-2003, 01:32 PM

I guess they didn't think they need extra spark???

What do you mean? Doesn't the msd add extra spark? I know that my vortech came with the crane as well.

Thanks
Craig

madramper · 10-07-2003, 01:38 PM

The MSD 6BTM is basically the MSD 6a with a boost retard. At least what I was told is the the Vortech BTM is the boost retard only... no ignition. It uses the stock ignition for the power. I could be wrong, but thats how it was explained to me.

93SVTstang · 10-07-2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madramper
The MSD 6BTM is basically the MSD 6a with a boost retard. At least what I was told is the the Vortech BTM is the boost retard only... no ignition. It uses the stock ignition for the power. I could be wrong, but thats how it was explained to me.

Thats what I heard as well.

cp5699 · 10-07-2003, 06:17 PM

I just called vortech and you guys are right, the vortech btm only retards tioming and does not amplify the spark. Well that f%#$ sucks. I thought I was getting a good deal, when I actually didn't get much of anything. I wonder if the damn thing can be used in conjunction with the 6a so that I can retard timing while the 6a amplifies the spark? How well will the stock ignition handle 10 #'s of boost?

Should have done my homework instead of buying the part so fast.

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10-06-2003, 08:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
FASTFORD First Name: 9 seconds or bust !!!!! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Potterville,MI, USA Posts: 2,456 View this user's gallery iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yes, they just put the Vortech name on it for the kit. They have made two different BTM's over the years. In the two blower i got the BTM's did not look the same.

10-06-2003, 11:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
93SVTstang First Name: Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 845 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	There is some difference, I haven't seen a vortech BTM in a while, but I know on the MSD 6BTM you cannot adjust the onset. On the regular MSD BTM that you use in confunction with a 6AL you can make it work so that it wont start pulling timing until after you reach a certain level of boost, giving you a much more usable/tuneable timing curve. I don't think the Vortech BTM has that feature.

10-07-2003, 12:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
cp5699 First Name: Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denham Springs Louisiana Posts: 1,203 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	Thanks guys for the fast responce. I just bought a brand new vortech msd btm still in the box for $100. I was very excited to get such a good deal on it. The go for $370 at the local speed shops. Thanks again Craig

10-07-2003, 06:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
madramper First Name: Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alloway, NJ Posts: 11,636 View this user's gallery iTrader: 43 / 100%	I was told the the Vortech BTM is a stand alone boost retard, not an ignition. Whereas the MSD 6BTM is an ignition with boost retard.

10-07-2003, 08:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
93SVTstang First Name: Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 845 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	Sounds like a good deal to me. You're getting one step closer everyday, can you stand the anticipation??? Good Luck, Beau

10-07-2003, 09:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
cp5699 First Name: Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denham Springs Louisiana Posts: 1,203 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	No I can't take it...LOL No I have to find a cartech fmu and get my tuner. I am think that I might try and find a deal on a used tuner since I am only going to be using it for shift points, and speed limit remover etc, I won't need the latest and greatest. I just hope that I will be able to get a decent tune like that. Craig

10-07-2003, 09:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
madramper First Name: Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alloway, NJ Posts: 11,636 View this user's gallery iTrader: 43 / 100%	Aren't you using 42's? If so, your gonna need to do some tuning to get them right.

10-07-2003, 10:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
cp5699 First Name: Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denham Springs Louisiana Posts: 1,203 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	Well, yeah I forgot to mention that as well. I will have to do whats nec. to make the computer work with the 42's, but I don't think that I can rely on just the tuner for my fuel curve since it has no boost reference and the turbos make boost at such low rpms. It goind to be a learning curve for sure. Craig

10-07-2003, 12:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
LightningWX First Name: Lightning tuning flunky Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 769 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	Am I the only one whos vortech came with a crane ignition and timing retard?

10-07-2003, 01:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
cp5699 First Name: Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denham Springs Louisiana Posts: 1,203 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	I guess they didn't think they need extra spark??? What do you mean? Doesn't the msd add extra spark? I know that my vortech came with the crane as well. Thanks Craig

10-07-2003, 01:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
madramper First Name: Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alloway, NJ Posts: 11,636 View this user's gallery iTrader: 43 / 100%	The MSD 6BTM is basically the MSD 6a with a boost retard. At least what I was told is the the Vortech BTM is the boost retard only... no ignition. It uses the stock ignition for the power. I could be wrong, but thats how it was explained to me.

10-07-2003, 06:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
cp5699 First Name: Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denham Springs Louisiana Posts: 1,203 View this user's gallery iTrader: 0 / 0%	I just called vortech and you guys are right, the vortech btm only retards tioming and does not amplify the spark. Well that f%#$ sucks. I thought I was getting a good deal, when I actually didn't get much of anything. I wonder if the damn thing can be used in conjunction with the 6a so that I can retard timing while the 6a amplifies the spark? How well will the stock ignition handle 10 #'s of boost? Should have done my homework instead of buying the part so fast.