Group Buy on AFR Heads

06-01-2001, 07:29 PM

I called AFR today and established a contact. Mainly it was a fact finding mission for me and another list member. AFR's are definately in my future. Was wondering how many of you all have interest in the same. AFR will do a group buy directly with the NLOC members. The price we get will depend on the number of sets sold.
Anyway at this point I'm looking for a show of hands of interested parties, then we can get a ballpark price.
One thing though, AFR 185's have a 202 intake valve and states that fly cutting the pistons might be required. I'll be running a mild cam so I dont think it will be a problem but AFR is sticking with the disclaimer. I thought I remember someone maybe Icepick telling us piston to valve is not a problem with speed density friendly valvetrain.
check out the link:
http://www.airflowresearch.com
Later
Steve

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94 Crimson.
NLOC member #343
Team Powerdyne,
13.611@ 100mph
326rwhp
Wanting 12's

[This message has been edited by sstock (edited 06-01-2001).]

06-01-2001, 08:46 PM

Is anyone running these heads and how is the gain in power.they sure look nice. Richard

white95#1076

06-01-2001, 09:59 PM

Steve, count me in!!!

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Nothing strikes faster than Lightning!

06-01-2001, 10:31 PM

Are these things gonna help out us poor speed density guys? Or am i gonna be saving up for a mass air conversion as soon as i put them on?

If they will live with my truck without me spending a ton of extra cash, and if the power gains are big enough, then count me in.

06-01-2001, 11:56 PM

BLOG, those are real good questions. I at first was wondering about the larger intake runners over the stock GT-40. 185 vs 165.
The 185's I'm told will really work well with power adders, but I would like some more input on some of the more experienced guys here on the list.
I'm looking for a bolt on that is going to be tuned with a little extra fuel pressure. I'm told if we can keep the duration figures down and stay with some good idle vacuum all will be OK.

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94 Crimson.
NLOC member #343
Team Powerdyne,
13.611@ 100mph
326rwhp
Wanting 12's

06-02-2001, 09:34 AM

I am interested in the AFR 185s, but I've got to do some comparing between what I have--Trick Flow Twisted Wedge,and the AFR. I am interested in what kind of flow numbers I'll need on a 393/408, and if I can get that out of the Trick Flow head, or would I be better off to go with a new head all together?

I am still interested in the pricing though, keep us posted.

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White Lightning #2252//'80 Mercury Capri-306 balanced, D.S.S forged pistons, TFS heads, Holley 750,Tremec, 4.10 gears, more... 13.20@107MPH//'01 F-250 White, PSD, 6 speed, 4X4, extended cab,/wife's white '01 Sport Trac
I have a thing for white vehicles!

06-02-2001, 11:06 PM

has anyone thought about useing the DART/World sr. head.the more I read on the AFR head,I'm not to sure about long life out of these heads.I'm also talking about for a daily driver.If anyone is interested in the cast iron windsor sr.,I'll get a price from my friend machine shop.Richard

white95#1076

06-03-2001, 01:12 AM

Hey guys,

Buy them! Bolt them on and have fun!!!
There great heads! With a 351 I would go for the 185's blower or not... As for the speed density what happens is the more you do modification wise the more the V.E. tables get out of whack and if ya keep at it you will eventually reach a point where no matter what you do you can't make the desired power with stock SD programming... I'm sure you can just bolt them on using a stock cam, etc., and pick up some nice power but the big gains are going to be a product of a total package with proper tuning...

Chris,
TW are also great heads and have the potential to feed a large stroker they will work just fine stock and even better with porting... It just depends on how you want to set it up i.e. A 408, TW unported head, mild cam, stock converter, 5000 RPM shift point makes for a nice tame torquey street motor, take the same setup with seriously ported heads, big cam, loose converter 6500+ RPM shift points and you will make some serious power but the question always is how much is to much? That's why most people tend to end up somewhere in the middle to have a livable street car... Also a lot of power can brake a lot of parts...

Good luck and have fun!

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Dave P.
White 94
11.90 @ 113

[This message has been edited by Icepick (edited 06-03-2001).]

06-03-2001, 10:22 AM

These AFRs are going to rock.
Just a note on the speed density cam.I would not even bother with the Lightning cam if I had to do over again.I dont think it gave me crap.It gives a little more RPM but I think thats manly because of the valve springs.
For the price of the heads you can get a Mass air kit and put a killer Roller set up in.Then you are ready for the future.Thats what I would do if I could go back in time hehe.

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Marcus Harrison
TeamPowerdyne
(AKA)Sport car killer
NLOC#495
Hungry out of work eat your IMPORT

06-03-2001, 02:52 PM

I would possibly be interested depending on when the due date was for the buy! If its in a month or so its probably dueable!

Keep us updated, and do you have a ball park price. 1000, 1200, what?????

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Shane L.

best ET yet: 13.14 @ 104.06 mph

06-03-2001, 04:23 PM

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mrtrain:
has anyone thought about useing the DART/World sr. head.</font>

Yup. Got 'em for mine. This winter I am going to pop 'em on my truck. They are fully ported, milled, etc, so they aren't your average "out-of-the-box" Seniors. Also have the supporting hardware - custom roller cam, injectors, longtubes, and of course mass air. Gonna go from stock to that all at once.

Eventually the plan is to place them on top of high-winding 408 shortblock, but gotta do some more $$$ saving for that.

Have fun.

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- Kevin
Black '94 #907

06-03-2001, 10:21 PM

Depending on price, I would be interested. I was going to pick up a set of the Roush 200's when I sell off the P's but for a couple hundred more I would be interested in the AFR 185's.

Is this just NLOC members? I know a few mustang guys might be interested(all in the name of a lower price)

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91 lx 5ohh...
Built 306, ARP studs throughout, TRW forged pistons, Main girdle, e303 cam etc…
GT-40P heads with Manley race flow valves, Trick Flow springs, Crane 1.7 roller rockers, Explorer/GT-40 intake with 65mm TB, underdrives with Race crank pulley, BBK longtubes, Mac pro-chamber, Flowmaster 2 chamber cat back, 373’s, 200amp 3G alt, subframes, Crane FPR, FMS aluminum drive shaft, King cobra clutch, BBK 255lph fuel pump, Steeda Tri-ax short throw, SN motorsports Street/strip LCA’s, Lakewood 50/50’s, S&W 8 point roll cage, Autometer Water temp, NOS pressure, and A/F ratio Phantom gauges.
AOD to T-5 swap.
NOS fogger 5088 system

Fastest ¼-13.3@110

1994 Black Lightning #409 of 4007. Built February 17th 1994.

onefasts' site

06-04-2001, 12:22 PM

This is anyone interested

06-04-2001, 02:49 PM

I think me mustang buddy might want in on that. Just let us know what's going on, Steve!

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Nothing strikes faster than Lightning!

06-04-2001, 07:28 PM

I'm in for a set of 185s. Then I can put the tiny-valved Windsor heads on a carbed motor for Project Z.

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Later!
Jeff S.
Lightning #74 in '95 - 11.92@115.2-lotsa mods
Lightning #582 in '00 - 13.36@101.75- Swanson chip
1973 Datsun 240Z - project car
Drive 'em like ya stole 'em!

06-01-2001, 07:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
sstock Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	Group Buy on AFR Heads I called AFR today and established a contact. Mainly it was a fact finding mission for me and another list member. AFR's are definately in my future. Was wondering how many of you all have interest in the same. AFR will do a group buy directly with the NLOC members. The price we get will depend on the number of sets sold. Anyway at this point I'm looking for a show of hands of interested parties, then we can get a ballpark price. One thing though, AFR 185's have a 202 intake valve and states that fly cutting the pistons might be required. I'll be running a mild cam so I dont think it will be a problem but AFR is sticking with the disclaimer. I thought I remember someone maybe Icepick telling us piston to valve is not a problem with speed density friendly valvetrain. check out the link: http://www.airflowresearch.com Later Steve ------------------ 94 Crimson. NLOC member #343 Team Powerdyne, 13.611@ 100mph 326rwhp Wanting 12's [This message has been edited by sstock (edited 06-01-2001).]

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06-01-2001, 08:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
mrtrain Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	Is anyone running these heads and how is the gain in power.they sure look nice. Richard white95#1076

06-01-2001, 09:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
eatingdodgesforlunch! Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	Steve, count me in!!! ------------------ Nothing strikes faster than Lightning!

06-01-2001, 10:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
BLoG Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	Are these things gonna help out us poor speed density guys? Or am i gonna be saving up for a mass air conversion as soon as i put them on? If they will live with my truck without me spending a ton of extra cash, and if the power gains are big enough, then count me in.

06-01-2001, 11:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
sstock Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	BLOG, those are real good questions. I at first was wondering about the larger intake runners over the stock GT-40. 185 vs 165. The 185's I'm told will really work well with power adders, but I would like some more input on some of the more experienced guys here on the list. I'm looking for a bolt on that is going to be tuned with a little extra fuel pressure. I'm told if we can keep the duration figures down and stay with some good idle vacuum all will be OK. ------------------ 94 Crimson. NLOC member #343 Team Powerdyne, 13.611@ 100mph 326rwhp Wanting 12's

06-02-2001, 09:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chris Wood Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	I am interested in the AFR 185s, but I've got to do some comparing between what I have--Trick Flow Twisted Wedge,and the AFR. I am interested in what kind of flow numbers I'll need on a 393/408, and if I can get that out of the Trick Flow head, or would I be better off to go with a new head all together? I am still interested in the pricing though, keep us posted. ------------------ White Lightning #2252//'80 Mercury Capri-306 balanced, D.S.S forged pistons, TFS heads, Holley 750,Tremec, 4.10 gears, more... 13.20@107MPH//'01 F-250 White, PSD, 6 speed, 4X4, extended cab,/wife's white '01 Sport Trac I have a thing for white vehicles!

06-02-2001, 11:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
mrtrain Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	has anyone thought about useing the DART/World sr. head.the more I read on the AFR head,I'm not to sure about long life out of these heads.I'm also talking about for a daily driver.If anyone is interested in the cast iron windsor sr.,I'll get a price from my friend machine shop.Richard white95#1076

06-03-2001, 01:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
Icepick Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	Hey guys, Buy them! Bolt them on and have fun!!! There great heads! With a 351 I would go for the 185's blower or not... As for the speed density what happens is the more you do modification wise the more the V.E. tables get out of whack and if ya keep at it you will eventually reach a point where no matter what you do you can't make the desired power with stock SD programming... I'm sure you can just bolt them on using a stock cam, etc., and pick up some nice power but the big gains are going to be a product of a total package with proper tuning... Chris, TW are also great heads and have the potential to feed a large stroker they will work just fine stock and even better with porting... It just depends on how you want to set it up i.e. A 408, TW unported head, mild cam, stock converter, 5000 RPM shift point makes for a nice tame torquey street motor, take the same setup with seriously ported heads, big cam, loose converter 6500+ RPM shift points and you will make some serious power but the question always is how much is to much? That's why most people tend to end up somewhere in the middle to have a livable street car... Also a lot of power can brake a lot of parts... Good luck and have fun! ------------------ Dave P. White 94 11.90 @ 113 [This message has been edited by Icepick (edited 06-03-2001).]

06-03-2001, 10:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Litng1 Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	These AFRs are going to rock. Just a note on the speed density cam.I would not even bother with the Lightning cam if I had to do over again.I dont think it gave me crap.It gives a little more RPM but I think thats manly because of the valve springs. For the price of the heads you can get a Mass air kit and put a killer Roller set up in.Then you are ready for the future.Thats what I would do if I could go back in time hehe. ------------------ Marcus Harrison TeamPowerdyne (AKA)Sport car killer NLOC#495 Hungry out of work eat your IMPORT

06-03-2001, 02:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
lil'Zeus Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	I would possibly be interested depending on when the due date was for the buy! If its in a month or so its probably dueable! Keep us updated, and do you have a ball park price. 1000, 1200, what????? ------------------ Shane L. best ET yet: 13.14 @ 104.06 mph

06-03-2001, 10:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
onefaststang Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	Depending on price, I would be interested. I was going to pick up a set of the Roush 200's when I sell off the P's but for a couple hundred more I would be interested in the AFR 185's. Is this just NLOC members? I know a few mustang guys might be interested(all in the name of a lower price) ------------------ 91 lx 5ohh... Built 306, ARP studs throughout, TRW forged pistons, Main girdle, e303 cam etc… GT-40P heads with Manley race flow valves, Trick Flow springs, Crane 1.7 roller rockers, Explorer/GT-40 intake with 65mm TB, underdrives with Race crank pulley, BBK longtubes, Mac pro-chamber, Flowmaster 2 chamber cat back, 373’s, 200amp 3G alt, subframes, Crane FPR, FMS aluminum drive shaft, King cobra clutch, BBK 255lph fuel pump, Steeda Tri-ax short throw, SN motorsports Street/strip LCA’s, Lakewood 50/50’s, S&W 8 point roll cage, Autometer Water temp, NOS pressure, and A/F ratio Phantom gauges. AOD to T-5 swap. NOS fogger 5088 system Fastest ¼-13.3@110 1994 Black Lightning #409 of 4007. Built February 17th 1994. onefasts' site

06-04-2001, 12:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
sstock Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	This is anyone interested

06-04-2001, 02:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
eatingdodgesforlunch! Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	I think me mustang buddy might want in on that. Just let us know what's going on, Steve! ------------------ Nothing strikes faster than Lightning!

06-04-2001, 07:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
FMOS Racing Guest Posts: n/a View this user's gallery iTrader: / %	I'm in for a set of 185s. Then I can put the tiny-valved Windsor heads on a carbed motor for Project Z. ------------------ Later! Jeff S. Lightning #74 in '95 - 11.92@115.2-lotsa mods Lightning #582 in '00 - 13.36@101.75- Swanson chip 1973 Datsun 240Z - project car Drive 'em like ya stole 'em!